raises but the next debt ceiling raise has got to be in there, some element of unemployment in exchange for whatever horse trading they get. is it the upper 8, is it 39.5? >> 37%? >> 250,000, that's what congress does. it's horrible. it's a sausage making machine. you don't want to know what's in the sausage but the president has a strong hand and playing it as you expect him to. >> i mean, just to jump in quickly, he has to do it now because he doesn't want to repeat last time. >> i don't think -- nobody does, right? only the republicans do. they want the leverage. >> of course they do. i mean his point is, let me get it in now, even if it fails, even it raises their hackles, even if it occasions their proposium, he's going to put his marker on the table, this is what i'm willing to do, this is the line drawn in the sand when they back up, he's anticipated what their resistance will amount to and he's got leverage even more. i think he's got to do that. >> absolutely.